Lockergnome drove some traffic to my entry about Blogware's RSS support
that led to some interesting comments. TheRoss indicated that we should
probably just settle on one...but didn't make it easy to pick which one1 :)
Winston took a slightly different tack - let users choose for
themselves and avoid taking a religious position. I'm not sure I buy
this. I mean, I get the sentiment - giving users control over how
things get done is never a bad thing, but I'm left wondering if, in
this case, that would be akin to letting the user pick which language
we write the application in. Isn't it enough to allow them to specify
whether or not they would like their particular blog to offer a
syndication function to their readers? RSS might be a brand, but I'm
not sure that publisher-users have the same loyalty to RSS 2.0 as they
would to Tide?
Dave Winer, RSS 2.0 chieftain, chimed in with a feature request
indicating that he'd like to see Blogware support the "...guid,
comments, pubDate, and if possible, category" in our RSS 2.0 feeds.
Done, done, done and done. We've been that way since the beginning,
hopefully it does make things easier for various aggregators in the way
that Dave suggests.
Through the discussion it became clear that there really is no "right"
answer and also that no one really seems to give a rats-ass if we
continue supporting 0.91. I suppose the bigger question is whether or
not we build in support for ATOM. The problem with ATOM is that
"its not just about feeds anymore". To do it right, I have to rip out a
whole whack of code that deals with trackbacks, remote posting and feed
generation and rewrite it to suport ATOM. We could also choose to only
support a subset of the spec, but I'm more inclined to wait for an
answer to the question of "why?" Why should we care about ATOM?
At this point, I honestly don't think that anything is going to change. Keeping 0.91 feeds in the UI doesn't cost us anything and users aren't going apeshit with support calls because we offer them three syndication options. And as far as Atom goes, well...we'll see I suppose.
1As an aside, I'm not sure what TheRoss means when he says "if you
value RDF"...I don't tend to value technology in the way that I
think he's implying I might. If they are useful to me, then I value
them, but I don't think that they are sacred cows in the sense of
"standards must be preserved at all costs"...this aside is turning into
a post of its own...to me, RDF (RSS 1.0) is simply an open agreed upon
standard very similar to the standards that have gone through the IETF
process whereas RSS 2.0 is a widely used pseudo-defacto "standard" that
sits on a publicly documented specification - much more similar to open
source software. In both cases, as an implementor, I have the option
not to comply with the details that I think I know better about. It
results in a non-standard implementation, or perhaps a fork, but the
dynamics and risks associated with this type of behavior are well
understood by the open (code/standard) communities. In any event, my
point is that open standards/code only get my respect insofar as they
deserve it. The fact that we didn't create our own syndication or
publication specification should serve to speak to the degree that we
support the current "standards".)
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by
Ross
at 03:57PM (EST) on January 6, 2004 | Permanent Link
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Re: Deprecating RSS Part II
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TheRoss
on Thu 08 Jan 2004 09:50 AM EST | Profile | Permanent Link
I wasn't using RDF as a synonym for RSS 1.0-- RDF has it's own tools, it's own culture, and is much bigger than syndication. It sounds like you interpreted my statement as "If you value RSS 1.0, use RSS 1.0"... which would have been a pretty silly thing to say...
"If you value RDF" was meant as, "if interoperability with the larger RDF world is something you care about". If not, I don't really see any advantages to RSS 1.0, and 2.0 is simpler. Trackbacks
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